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		<title>By: Hitting the Links &#124; Redfin Boston Sweet Digs</title>
		<link>http://agentgenius.com/g-rants-insanity-more/real-estate/virgin-money-between-relatives/#comment-11872</link>
		<dc:creator>Hitting the Links &#124; Redfin Boston Sweet Digs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 03:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Don Reedy</title>
		<link>http://agentgenius.com/g-rants-insanity-more/real-estate/virgin-money-between-relatives/#comment-11611</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Reedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 21:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shailesh,

&gt;Plus I’m not going to rule out this idea just because it’s new and bold..........

I think you need to appreciate that this isn&#039;t new, isn&#039;t so very bold, and it is THE way America got built.

Here in Southern California, for example, this very day, immigrants families are moving in together, combining money, resources, risks and opportunities, and there seems to be no end in sight....nor should there be.

Whole sections of Orange County are Vietnamese, or Hispanic, or Korean.  These families bought together, and sold together, and moved up together, and now are owners of the American dream of home ownership.  Sharing money and risks among family members is a bad idea only when expectations are not clearly laid out and implemented.

I would argue that today&#039;s mortgage lenders do nothing more to reduce risk to the borrower than in a family setting.  Does a Good Faith Estimate guarantee the husband won&#039;t become a drunk, lose his job, and abandon the family?  Does knowledge of every financial product under the sun insure that a borrower and his family won&#039;t (at the family table, not the settlement table), come to see problems with the product you helped them select?  Of course not.  You see, lending is a secondary function to the actual commitment made by the family, to other family members, to abide by and work through the buying process&#039;s financial obligations.

Shailesh, there are immigrant neighborhoods where sharing risk is ALL that provides a sense of community and obligation.  If, as you say, we learned nothing else from the subprime fiasco, it should be that PEOPLE and FAMILIES commit to each other first, and the paper on which we mask that commitment (loan documents, etc.) aren&#039;t worth their weight in promises otherwise.

Would you say I have any point here?  Interested in your take.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shailesh,</p>
<p>&gt;Plus I’m not going to rule out this idea just because it’s new and bold&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>I think you need to appreciate that this isn&#8217;t new, isn&#8217;t so very bold, and it is THE way America got built.</p>
<p>Here in Southern California, for example, this very day, immigrants families are moving in together, combining money, resources, risks and opportunities, and there seems to be no end in sight&#8230;.nor should there be.</p>
<p>Whole sections of Orange County are Vietnamese, or Hispanic, or Korean.  These families bought together, and sold together, and moved up together, and now are owners of the American dream of home ownership.  Sharing money and risks among family members is a bad idea only when expectations are not clearly laid out and implemented.</p>
<p>I would argue that today&#8217;s mortgage lenders do nothing more to reduce risk to the borrower than in a family setting.  Does a Good Faith Estimate guarantee the husband won&#8217;t become a drunk, lose his job, and abandon the family?  Does knowledge of every financial product under the sun insure that a borrower and his family won&#8217;t (at the family table, not the settlement table), come to see problems with the product you helped them select?  Of course not.  You see, lending is a secondary function to the actual commitment made by the family, to other family members, to abide by and work through the buying process&#8217;s financial obligations.</p>
<p>Shailesh, there are immigrant neighborhoods where sharing risk is ALL that provides a sense of community and obligation.  If, as you say, we learned nothing else from the subprime fiasco, it should be that PEOPLE and FAMILIES commit to each other first, and the paper on which we mask that commitment (loan documents, etc.) aren&#8217;t worth their weight in promises otherwise.</p>
<p>Would you say I have any point here?  Interested in your take.</p>
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		<title>By: Shailesh Ghimire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shailesh Ghimire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jennifer - yes risk is relative, and like I said there will be arragements which can be beneficial to both parties. Just like an Option ARM there is a niche market for it where the loan makes perfect sense. It&#039;s the whole sale dressing up and selling to the masses part that is a bit bothersome. So, for those who can afford it and make it work - all power to you! I would venture to say that for the vast majority of folks it will be difficult to make it work.

Frank - Great example. I guess you can always move in? :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jennifer &#8211; yes risk is relative, and like I said there will be arragements which can be beneficial to both parties. Just like an Option ARM there is a niche market for it where the loan makes perfect sense. It&#8217;s the whole sale dressing up and selling to the masses part that is a bit bothersome. So, for those who can afford it and make it work &#8211; all power to you! I would venture to say that for the vast majority of folks it will be difficult to make it work.</p>
<p>Frank &#8211; Great example. I guess you can always move in? <img src='http://agentgenius.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Eric Blackwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Blackwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 00:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The key to it IMO (as jennifer said) is if you can afford it. If it is a McMansion loan and you will be bitter about it, then you ummm...can&#039;t afford it. (grin)

@What else are you going to do with 4,000 SQ FT in Carlsbad?  (SMILE) exactly so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The key to it IMO (as jennifer said) is if you can afford it. If it is a McMansion loan and you will be bitter about it, then you ummm&#8230;can&#8217;t afford it. (grin)</p>
<p>@What else are you going to do with 4,000 SQ FT in Carlsbad?  (SMILE) exactly so.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Jewett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Jewett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 23:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If your nephew and his wife walked away from their Countrywide mortgage (just to pick a name out of a hat - not to single out the largest contributor to the mortgage meltdown), you could still hug them at Thanksgiving.  On the other hand, if they walked away from your mortgage after investing $800K of your retirement savings in a Carlsbad McMansion that&#039;s now worth $400K, you might not want to invite them over for turkey.  Fulfilling your side of the bargain doesn&#039;t mean the relationship will survive.

On the upside, you can still retire and attempt to convert the McMansion to a Legoland Bed &amp; Breakfast.  What else are you going to do with 4,000 SQ FT in Carlsbad?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If your nephew and his wife walked away from their Countrywide mortgage (just to pick a name out of a hat &#8211; not to single out the largest contributor to the mortgage meltdown), you could still hug them at Thanksgiving.  On the other hand, if they walked away from your mortgage after investing $800K of your retirement savings in a Carlsbad McMansion that&#8217;s now worth $400K, you might not want to invite them over for turkey.  Fulfilling your side of the bargain doesn&#8217;t mean the relationship will survive.</p>
<p>On the upside, you can still retire and attempt to convert the McMansion to a Legoland Bed &amp; Breakfast.  What else are you going to do with 4,000 SQ FT in Carlsbad?</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer in Louisville</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer in Louisville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 20:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Risk is somewhat relative and is everywhere if you take it to an extreme.  If you can afford the risk, and can help a family member out to boot - I&#039;d help them.  If they didn&#039;t do what they were supposed to - oh well, I fulfilled my part of our agreement and my familial/friendship obligation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Risk is somewhat relative and is everywhere if you take it to an extreme.  If you can afford the risk, and can help a family member out to boot &#8211; I&#8217;d help them.  If they didn&#8217;t do what they were supposed to &#8211; oh well, I fulfilled my part of our agreement and my familial/friendship obligation.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s an interesting concept. Know a few private lenders that should use the service just to make tracking of the payments easier. Plus it would give the borrow the option of adding escrow services which would help the lender reduce their risk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s an interesting concept. Know a few private lenders that should use the service just to make tracking of the payments easier. Plus it would give the borrow the option of adding escrow services which would help the lender reduce their risk.</p>
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