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		<title>By: Bill Wendel</title>
		<link>http://agentgenius.com/real-estate-law-marketing/divorcing-commissions-disintermediation-of-the-buyers-agent/#comment-976</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Wendel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 18:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have to run to remaining 300 plus booths at NAR convention but added a link to your blog post and comments above to wiki:

http://realestatecafe.pbwiki.com/divorce-real-estate-commissions

Would gladly to talk in person with anyone attending NAR convention after exhibit hall closes at 6pm.  Open to perspectives for and against divorcing commissions, particularly positions based on consumer benefit.

You can reach me at the convention via
http://twitter.com/realestatecafe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have to run to remaining 300 plus booths at NAR convention but added a link to your blog post and comments above to wiki:</p>
<p><a href="http://realestatecafe.pbwiki.com/divorce-real-estate-commissions" rel="nofollow">http://realestatecafe.pbwiki.c.....ommissions</a></p>
<p>Would gladly to talk in person with anyone attending NAR convention after exhibit hall closes at 6pm.  Open to perspectives for and against divorcing commissions, particularly positions based on consumer benefit.</p>
<p>You can reach me at the convention via<br />
<a href="http://twitter.com/realestatecafe" rel="nofollow">http://twitter.com/realestatecafe</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bonnie Erickson</title>
		<link>http://agentgenius.com/real-estate-law-marketing/divorcing-commissions-disintermediation-of-the-buyers-agent/#comment-948</link>
		<dc:creator>Bonnie Erickson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 07:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;They’re still learning that I know what they did not&quot; . . . but sometimes they never figure it out.  A near and dear person to me bought unrepresented and gave 23 feet of lakeshore in the city to the seller for no compensation and thought he was getting a great discount when they accepted an offer for $2000 less than list (In his mind, that compensation was because they didn&#039;t have an agent!).  I now have the splendid privilege of trying to find a buyer for this self-same property.  They still have no clue what they didn&#039;t, and don&#039;t, know.  They bought without representation again and without selling their home first.  They thought the prices on the flyers in the neighborhood are what they should list for.  Touring said houses (which also have not sold) changed the wife&#039;s mind.  What they didn&#039;t know     . . . scares me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;They’re still learning that I know what they did not&#8221; . . . but sometimes they never figure it out.  A near and dear person to me bought unrepresented and gave 23 feet of lakeshore in the city to the seller for no compensation and thought he was getting a great discount when they accepted an offer for $2000 less than list (In his mind, that compensation was because they didn&#8217;t have an agent!).  I now have the splendid privilege of trying to find a buyer for this self-same property.  They still have no clue what they didn&#8217;t, and don&#8217;t, know.  They bought without representation again and without selling their home first.  They thought the prices on the flyers in the neighborhood are what they should list for.  Touring said houses (which also have not sold) changed the wife&#8217;s mind.  What they didn&#8217;t know     . . . scares me.</p>
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		<title>By: Vicki Moore</title>
		<link>http://agentgenius.com/real-estate-law-marketing/divorcing-commissions-disintermediation-of-the-buyers-agent/#comment-928</link>
		<dc:creator>Vicki Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find Greg&#039;s thread to be extreme and antagonistic.  In part 1 he makes the argument that NAR was created as a conspiracy against the consumer.  The price for real estate representation was increased because professionals are doing the representing.  It costs money for me to be educated and remain in business.  That cost is passed to the consumer just like it is when I buy a pack of gum.

I pay for the advertising, the packaging, the label, the reputation; none of which add value to the gum.  But I pay for it.

&quot;Conspiracy against the consumer&quot; is retold so many times it makes me wonder if Oliver Stone is his BFF.  

I do agree with some of what Greg points out but it&#039;s difficult to find amongst all of the claims of &quot;conspiracy,&quot; &quot;parasitic fees&quot; and &quot;deception.&quot;

Mentioning in part 4 that if I&#039;m scrupulous, I&#039;ll help my wayward client for nothing, makes me, once again, question what I agree with.  If I go to another dentist who screws up my filling, I highly doubt that my current provider will be so scrupulous as to fix the mistake for free.

People who buy cars without representation aren&#039;t spending (in my market) a minimum of $500,000.  Oftentimes with the expertise buyers claim to have, they don&#039;t even know what they don&#039;t know.  To say that they get what they wanted in the way they wanted is misleading.  They may be happy with their unrepresented decision for the moment but once they understand that they could have done better with a professional, that gratification will vanish.

I&#039;m not &quot;pretending&quot; to be any one&#039;s representative.  Every time I sign a Disclosure Regarding Agency Relationship, I not only explain to the client who I represent, I acknowledge it with my signature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find Greg&#8217;s thread to be extreme and antagonistic.  In part 1 he makes the argument that NAR was created as a conspiracy against the consumer.  The price for real estate representation was increased because professionals are doing the representing.  It costs money for me to be educated and remain in business.  That cost is passed to the consumer just like it is when I buy a pack of gum.</p>
<p>I pay for the advertising, the packaging, the label, the reputation; none of which add value to the gum.  But I pay for it.</p>
<p>&#8220;Conspiracy against the consumer&#8221; is retold so many times it makes me wonder if Oliver Stone is his BFF.  </p>
<p>I do agree with some of what Greg points out but it&#8217;s difficult to find amongst all of the claims of &#8220;conspiracy,&#8221; &#8220;parasitic fees&#8221; and &#8220;deception.&#8221;</p>
<p>Mentioning in part 4 that if I&#8217;m scrupulous, I&#8217;ll help my wayward client for nothing, makes me, once again, question what I agree with.  If I go to another dentist who screws up my filling, I highly doubt that my current provider will be so scrupulous as to fix the mistake for free.</p>
<p>People who buy cars without representation aren&#8217;t spending (in my market) a minimum of $500,000.  Oftentimes with the expertise buyers claim to have, they don&#8217;t even know what they don&#8217;t know.  To say that they get what they wanted in the way they wanted is misleading.  They may be happy with their unrepresented decision for the moment but once they understand that they could have done better with a professional, that gratification will vanish.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not &#8220;pretending&#8221; to be any one&#8217;s representative.  Every time I sign a Disclosure Regarding Agency Relationship, I not only explain to the client who I represent, I acknowledge it with my signature.</p>
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		<title>By: Benn Rosales</title>
		<link>http://agentgenius.com/real-estate-law-marketing/divorcing-commissions-disintermediation-of-the-buyers-agent/#comment-909</link>
		<dc:creator>Benn Rosales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 14:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and- because the commission is not an incentive for the buyer to buy.  The incentive is from the seller, to an agent to sell their house, from their profit margin to SELL not to provide incentive to a buyer. If a seller wants to create an incentive from their profit to buyers, it should be seperate and on the hud-1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and- because the commission is not an incentive for the buyer to buy.  The incentive is from the seller, to an agent to sell their house, from their profit margin to SELL not to provide incentive to a buyer. If a seller wants to create an incentive from their profit to buyers, it should be seperate and on the hud-1.</p>
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		<title>By: Benn Rosales</title>
		<link>http://agentgenius.com/real-estate-law-marketing/divorcing-commissions-disintermediation-of-the-buyers-agent/#comment-908</link>
		<dc:creator>Benn Rosales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 14:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim, it already is in the buyers hands, redfin does this every day exactly the way it&#039;s structured.  just remove the rebate and lower the sales price, either way, the buyer is in control.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, it already is in the buyers hands, redfin does this every day exactly the way it&#8217;s structured.  just remove the rebate and lower the sales price, either way, the buyer is in control.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Duncan</title>
		<link>http://agentgenius.com/real-estate-law-marketing/divorcing-commissions-disintermediation-of-the-buyers-agent/#comment-906</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 12:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Benn -

Why the focus on 3%? Who sets that? By putting the payment in the Buyer&#039;s hands, &lt;em&gt;they&lt;/em&gt; are able to better negotiate their fee with their representative, rather than depend primarily on what the Seller is willing to offer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Benn -</p>
<p>Why the focus on 3%? Who sets that? By putting the payment in the Buyer&#8217;s hands, <em>they</em> are able to better negotiate their fee with their representative, rather than depend primarily on what the Seller is willing to offer.</p>
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		<title>By: Benn Rosales</title>
		<link>http://agentgenius.com/real-estate-law-marketing/divorcing-commissions-disintermediation-of-the-buyers-agent/#comment-902</link>
		<dc:creator>Benn Rosales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 00:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha, don&#039;t be paranoid, Greg, no one&#039;s throwing punches around here...

In fairness, the trackback is wrong- this should link to the previous article which is where my original question about dual agency went unanswered.  

As for whether you&#039;re wrong or right on any and/or all levels is not up to me, but where I see it leading is, and this is what I&#039;m addressing.  

Debating the tiny points is fruitless, let’s just address the outcome and save us both days of explaining our points...

The bottom line in what I&#039;m saying about your idea is it removes a seller&#039;s ability to create incentive within their profit margin- this in no way hurts a buyer, in fact, it should come off of the sales price if the buyer can afford to pay the commission out of pocket (as well put 20% down)- either way, you&#039;re right, the buyer pays it in the end. 

My answer to your 15 page diatribe is simply this- the buyer already pays the 3% anyway, at least the seller has it built into the sales price to be negotiated down even further.  You&#039;re asking a buyer to jump a new hurdle of paying 3% out of pocket. How does that motivate a buyer? It doesn&#039;t.  It leaves them to call your sign- now you&#039;re really financing it on top of the sales price. How is THAT buyer friendly or even wise?

Eventually (a year from this becoming practice), the seller will have to take into account that a buyer will need to tap into 3% of the sales price and escalate to offset to the point that the buyer is now paying a $103,000 final sales price or $97,000, either way, the buyer is still paying the commission- so what&#039;s the point in &#039;touching&#039; your argument? There isn&#039;t one, really.

I read your current post, and I still think you&#039;re missing my point- either way, I am an American consumer, and I do disagree with you. Unless you can take this from an objective logical approach to an &#039;on the street perspective&#039; in 1000 words or less, we&#039;re not going to see eye-to-eye.  Objective &amp; logical is what gets policy into trouble.  You have to look at the longterm.

For the record, you did say in your current article that buyer&#039;s agents are good, but you also said they&#039;re dishonest- we will never agree on that last point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha, don&#8217;t be paranoid, Greg, no one&#8217;s throwing punches around here&#8230;</p>
<p>In fairness, the trackback is wrong- this should link to the previous article which is where my original question about dual agency went unanswered.  </p>
<p>As for whether you&#8217;re wrong or right on any and/or all levels is not up to me, but where I see it leading is, and this is what I&#8217;m addressing.  </p>
<p>Debating the tiny points is fruitless, let’s just address the outcome and save us both days of explaining our points&#8230;</p>
<p>The bottom line in what I&#8217;m saying about your idea is it removes a seller&#8217;s ability to create incentive within their profit margin- this in no way hurts a buyer, in fact, it should come off of the sales price if the buyer can afford to pay the commission out of pocket (as well put 20% down)- either way, you&#8217;re right, the buyer pays it in the end. </p>
<p>My answer to your 15 page diatribe is simply this- the buyer already pays the 3% anyway, at least the seller has it built into the sales price to be negotiated down even further.  You&#8217;re asking a buyer to jump a new hurdle of paying 3% out of pocket. How does that motivate a buyer? It doesn&#8217;t.  It leaves them to call your sign- now you&#8217;re really financing it on top of the sales price. How is THAT buyer friendly or even wise?</p>
<p>Eventually (a year from this becoming practice), the seller will have to take into account that a buyer will need to tap into 3% of the sales price and escalate to offset to the point that the buyer is now paying a $103,000 final sales price or $97,000, either way, the buyer is still paying the commission- so what&#8217;s the point in &#8216;touching&#8217; your argument? There isn&#8217;t one, really.</p>
<p>I read your current post, and I still think you&#8217;re missing my point- either way, I am an American consumer, and I do disagree with you. Unless you can take this from an objective logical approach to an &#8216;on the street perspective&#8217; in 1000 words or less, we&#8217;re not going to see eye-to-eye.  Objective &amp; logical is what gets policy into trouble.  You have to look at the longterm.</p>
<p>For the record, you did say in your current article that buyer&#8217;s agents are good, but you also said they&#8217;re dishonest- we will never agree on that last point.</p>
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