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		<title>By: ines</title>
		<link>http://agentgenius.com/real-estate-news-events/is-businessweek-fishing-for-bottom-fishing-articles/#comment-17029</link>
		<dc:creator>ines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank YOU Louis for understanding my point and putting it in such eloquent words.

Benn - I guess good new will be bad new for someone else and vise-versa.....especially in real estate.  It goes back on the way we should be responsible and accountable for communicating data - take a look at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.therealestatebloggers.com/2008/08/29/realtorcom-sees-traffic-increase-a-sign-of-things-to-come/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Tom&#039;s article&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank YOU Louis for understanding my point and putting it in such eloquent words.</p>
<p>Benn &#8211; I guess good new will be bad new for someone else and vise-versa&#8230;..especially in real estate.  It goes back on the way we should be responsible and accountable for communicating data &#8211; take a look at <a href="http://www.therealestatebloggers.com/2008/08/29/realtorcom-sees-traffic-increase-a-sign-of-things-to-come/" rel="nofollow"> Tom&#8217;s article</a></p>
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		<title>By: Benn Rosales</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benn Rosales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Louis, you make a fantastic point, there are some variables that would certainly be bad news to an owner or seller- but I&#039;ll tell ya, my friend Tom who just got out from under his home in a shortsale  appreciates very much the buyer who saved &quot;his neck.&quot;  He understands that it wasn&#039;t the best result, but he still feels he did all he could to save his home.

That&#039;s just one story, but it demonstrates my belief that buyers are the key to firing up the market regardless of the motivation.

Thanks for pointing out the variables.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Louis, you make a fantastic point, there are some variables that would certainly be bad news to an owner or seller- but I&#8217;ll tell ya, my friend Tom who just got out from under his home in a shortsale  appreciates very much the buyer who saved &#8220;his neck.&#8221;  He understands that it wasn&#8217;t the best result, but he still feels he did all he could to save his home.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s just one story, but it demonstrates my belief that buyers are the key to firing up the market regardless of the motivation.</p>
<p>Thanks for pointing out the variables.</p>
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		<title>By: Louis Cammarosano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louis Cammarosano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Benn

I like your assessment of the newsweek blog post. Its the subtle manipulation of words, nuances and inferences drawn from data that gave the blog post it overall effect. 

However I disagree with the statement &quot;its good news for those folks in those markets&quot;
Good news perhaps for home searchers who may now be able to afford a home, and good news for realtors and lenders who may see an uptick in business, but certainly bad news for all those losing their homes.......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Benn</p>
<p>I like your assessment of the newsweek blog post. Its the subtle manipulation of words, nuances and inferences drawn from data that gave the blog post it overall effect. </p>
<p>However I disagree with the statement &#8220;its good news for those folks in those markets&#8221;<br />
Good news perhaps for home searchers who may now be able to afford a home, and good news for realtors and lenders who may see an uptick in business, but certainly bad news for all those losing their homes&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Benn Rosales</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benn Rosales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the article had not led nor ended with a name call, this conversation would not be taking place. Had he simply said pricing gives the best reason all year to search for homes we would have cheered- but that would have been a constructive, productive, non-event.

I actually do believe that the negative play on words does a great job of saying something constructive to the market, whether he intended to or not- it says to buyers of those markets something great is happening, and this is your moment, so get out and find yourself a great deal. 

I&#039;d like to think that BW put a lot of thought into the psychology of their statement, but I have no data to support it so we&#039;ll just go with &quot;Title Fail&quot; for the moment- but would give two thumbs up to the probable reaction of a buyer reading the article.

I&#039;m just walking away from the BW article with a smile, because at the end of the day, it&#039;s good news for those folks in those markets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the article had not led nor ended with a name call, this conversation would not be taking place. Had he simply said pricing gives the best reason all year to search for homes we would have cheered- but that would have been a constructive, productive, non-event.</p>
<p>I actually do believe that the negative play on words does a great job of saying something constructive to the market, whether he intended to or not- it says to buyers of those markets something great is happening, and this is your moment, so get out and find yourself a great deal. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to think that BW put a lot of thought into the psychology of their statement, but I have no data to support it so we&#8217;ll just go with &#8220;Title Fail&#8221; for the moment- but would give two thumbs up to the probable reaction of a buyer reading the article.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just walking away from the BW article with a smile, because at the end of the day, it&#8217;s good news for those folks in those markets.</p>
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		<title>By: Louis Cammarosano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louis Cammarosano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ines

I agree inferences (the increase in searches is due to lower prices) and semantics (the term &quot;bottom fishers&quot;) impact people differently. 

I was neither offended by the plausible conclusion of Palmieri&#039;s newsweek blog post even though such conclusion  may not have been arrived at through the scientific method, nor was I offended by the term bottom fishers.

While I may not agree with Palmieri&#039;s inference drawn or the characterization of the searchers, I am sure a large percentage of intelligent people might have also drawn the same conclusion and made the same characterization of the searchers.

Thanks for pointing out that a large percentage of intelligent people could draw different inferences and chose to name those doing the searches something more benign than bottom fishers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ines</p>
<p>I agree inferences (the increase in searches is due to lower prices) and semantics (the term &#8220;bottom fishers&#8221;) impact people differently. </p>
<p>I was neither offended by the plausible conclusion of Palmieri&#8217;s newsweek blog post even though such conclusion  may not have been arrived at through the scientific method, nor was I offended by the term bottom fishers.</p>
<p>While I may not agree with Palmieri&#8217;s inference drawn or the characterization of the searchers, I am sure a large percentage of intelligent people might have also drawn the same conclusion and made the same characterization of the searchers.</p>
<p>Thanks for pointing out that a large percentage of intelligent people could draw different inferences and chose to name those doing the searches something more benign than bottom fishers.</p>
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		<title>By: ines</title>
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		<dc:creator>ines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glenn, increase in searches in the lower prices ranges does not mean bottom fishing.  I totally agree with the statement that people that could not afford before, can afford now.  I&#039;m seeing traffic from people that were renting who are now buying - that can mean 2 things:  that the market is stabilizing and they feel more comfortable about buying now, or that they could not afford before and they are now they can.  

Louis, and some of those 5am shopper are just gung-ho shoppers that love the experience (you will never find me in any of those super sale days even close to a mall - it freaks me out) - I think we agree on the problem of &quot;inferences&quot;

Bob - you gave more facts in your one line statement than the author of that BW post.   We also need to define &quot;bottom fishing&quot; - one thing is for people looking for lower price ranged properties and something totally different is for people bottom fishing.
I can tell you that 3 months ago I was bombarded by European and South American inquiries of $200k condos on the ocean in Miami Beach.  These people heard that our market was doing poorly, so they assumed that those type of properties were available - a lot of them ended up buying $400k-$500k units, but I cannot define them  as bottom-fishers because of their original inquiries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glenn, increase in searches in the lower prices ranges does not mean bottom fishing.  I totally agree with the statement that people that could not afford before, can afford now.  I&#8217;m seeing traffic from people that were renting who are now buying &#8211; that can mean 2 things:  that the market is stabilizing and they feel more comfortable about buying now, or that they could not afford before and they are now they can.  </p>
<p>Louis, and some of those 5am shopper are just gung-ho shoppers that love the experience (you will never find me in any of those super sale days even close to a mall &#8211; it freaks me out) &#8211; I think we agree on the problem of &#8220;inferences&#8221;</p>
<p>Bob &#8211; you gave more facts in your one line statement than the author of that BW post.   We also need to define &#8220;bottom fishing&#8221; &#8211; one thing is for people looking for lower price ranged properties and something totally different is for people bottom fishing.<br />
I can tell you that 3 months ago I was bombarded by European and South American inquiries of $200k condos on the ocean in Miami Beach.  These people heard that our market was doing poorly, so they assumed that those type of properties were available &#8211; a lot of them ended up buying $400k-$500k units, but I cannot define them  as bottom-fishers because of their original inquiries.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ines, my money says that the assumption is not baseless, but that the article does a poor job of explaining how the conclusion was reached.

If R.com&#039;s traffic is up, with a corresponding increase of searches in the low ranges - at a rate that is higher than historical numbers and/or trends, then the assumption is not baseless.

My own historical data goes back 6 years and covers over 100k registered search users, not merely uniques, and their searches. My recent traffic measured against the historical trends of my data would suggest a similar conclusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ines, my money says that the assumption is not baseless, but that the article does a poor job of explaining how the conclusion was reached.</p>
<p>If R.com&#8217;s traffic is up, with a corresponding increase of searches in the low ranges &#8211; at a rate that is higher than historical numbers and/or trends, then the assumption is not baseless.</p>
<p>My own historical data goes back 6 years and covers over 100k registered search users, not merely uniques, and their searches. My recent traffic measured against the historical trends of my data would suggest a similar conclusion.</p>
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