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		<title>By: jf.sellsius</title>
		<link>http://agentgenius.com/real-estate-technology-new-media/a-business-predicated-on-a-lie-will-crumble-when-exposed/#comment-62</link>
		<dc:creator>jf.sellsius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 15:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points Scoreboard.  As an agent, inaccurate zestimates just create the same problem as the neighbor down the block. SO agreed.  But I am looking at them from a different perspective---the refusal to recognize ANY rights of a homeowner/seller/listing agent to market their asset with outside interference.  If I stood in front of your open house, nicely dressed, with a sign that said this house is only worth (pick a number that would annoy you).  That to me is intereference, especially if that number is dead wrong.  There is a BIG difference between publishing public data, solds (good) and creating an inaccurate value that is then attached to my home without my consent. As a homeowner it just rubs me wrong.

Oh yeah, did you hear the latest zillow plan ---display how much money is in the owner&#039;s bank account so buyers know if they need to sell &amp; can negotiate a better price.  (joking folks)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points Scoreboard.  As an agent, inaccurate zestimates just create the same problem as the neighbor down the block. SO agreed.  But I am looking at them from a different perspective&#8212;the refusal to recognize ANY rights of a homeowner/seller/listing agent to market their asset with outside interference.  If I stood in front of your open house, nicely dressed, with a sign that said this house is only worth (pick a number that would annoy you).  That to me is intereference, especially if that number is dead wrong.  There is a BIG difference between publishing public data, solds (good) and creating an inaccurate value that is then attached to my home without my consent. As a homeowner it just rubs me wrong.</p>
<p>Oh yeah, did you hear the latest zillow plan &#8212;display how much money is in the owner&#8217;s bank account so buyers know if they need to sell &amp; can negotiate a better price.  (joking folks)</p>
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		<title>By: Agent Scoreboard</title>
		<link>http://agentgenius.com/real-estate-technology-new-media/a-business-predicated-on-a-lie-will-crumble-when-exposed/#comment-61</link>
		<dc:creator>Agent Scoreboard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 05:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOW!!!

Lots of venom at Zillow.  Really I don&#039;t see what the problems is?  Who cares if zillow has a Zestimate on 123 Zikes Street.  How does that affect your business?   If they create a national MLS so what?  Good! Its good for competition and if NAR wasn&#039;t so busy protecting the status quo they should have created that years ago.  The aggregation of listing data and traffic creates economies of scale that lowers the cost of property marketing for all involved.

I remember when Rich was back being secret about Zillow, I actually was in a group of people that had a conversation with him at Inman.  He said, how would the real estate industry be impacted by price transparency?  Consumers and real estate professionals could see the gaps in the market between selling prices and asking pricings in a closer to real time manner, allowing people to quickly identify trends and make better investments in property and housing.  I almost hugged him!

I’m not sure why people care about Zillow’s valuations, as a broker http://www2.dre.ca.gov/PublicASP/pplinfo.asp?License_id=01379165  whose actually closed more than a few deals, in a few states.  My biggest valuation problem was, “That house down the street just sold for $600,000, My house is worth that too, right?”  Well that “house down the street” is 5 years newer and 350 sqft larger, and didn’t sell for 600k, but that what is was listed for.”  There is a data vacuum that the realtors have held the keys to for far too long.  I say give consumers all the data they want… let them pick the model that works best for them, and we can work with them.

I don’t believe Zillow can successfully make a transition to “brokerage” maybe a cool FSBO site that includes some risk mitigation tools like transaction management and legal review.  So… great!  Do you think its going to take the place of agents?  I doubt it.  The appearance of McDonald’s didn’t kill the restaurant business, it just a filled a need of a time strapped society.    Zillow is one company’s response to a societal need.  Its not the first and wont be the last.

You should thank Rich and Dave… I do, they have kept the dialog going and its great…consumers are talking and so are we, that’s how we’ll make things better..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW!!!</p>
<p>Lots of venom at Zillow.  Really I don&#8217;t see what the problems is?  Who cares if zillow has a Zestimate on 123 Zikes Street.  How does that affect your business?   If they create a national MLS so what?  Good! Its good for competition and if NAR wasn&#8217;t so busy protecting the status quo they should have created that years ago.  The aggregation of listing data and traffic creates economies of scale that lowers the cost of property marketing for all involved.</p>
<p>I remember when Rich was back being secret about Zillow, I actually was in a group of people that had a conversation with him at Inman.  He said, how would the real estate industry be impacted by price transparency?  Consumers and real estate professionals could see the gaps in the market between selling prices and asking pricings in a closer to real time manner, allowing people to quickly identify trends and make better investments in property and housing.  I almost hugged him!</p>
<p>I’m not sure why people care about Zillow’s valuations, as a broker <a href="http://www2.dre.ca.gov/PublicASP/pplinfo.asp?License_id=01379165" rel="nofollow">http://www2.dre.ca.gov/PublicA.....d=01379165</a>  whose actually closed more than a few deals, in a few states.  My biggest valuation problem was, “That house down the street just sold for $600,000, My house is worth that too, right?”  Well that “house down the street” is 5 years newer and 350 sqft larger, and didn’t sell for 600k, but that what is was listed for.”  There is a data vacuum that the realtors have held the keys to for far too long.  I say give consumers all the data they want… let them pick the model that works best for them, and we can work with them.</p>
<p>I don’t believe Zillow can successfully make a transition to “brokerage” maybe a cool FSBO site that includes some risk mitigation tools like transaction management and legal review.  So… great!  Do you think its going to take the place of agents?  I doubt it.  The appearance of McDonald’s didn’t kill the restaurant business, it just a filled a need of a time strapped society.    Zillow is one company’s response to a societal need.  Its not the first and wont be the last.</p>
<p>You should thank Rich and Dave… I do, they have kept the dialog going and its great…consumers are talking and so are we, that’s how we’ll make things better..</p>
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		<title>By: jf.sellsius</title>
		<link>http://agentgenius.com/real-estate-technology-new-media/a-business-predicated-on-a-lie-will-crumble-when-exposed/#comment-60</link>
		<dc:creator>jf.sellsius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 00:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,

What if my buyers are reading the classified section of my newspaper (you know, that &quot;entire section&quot; you said is &quot;devoted to homes&quot;)---shouldn&#039;t I continue to advertise there?

PS When can we expect that zillow poll on the right to exclude inaccurate zestimates from homesellers&#039; homes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>What if my buyers are reading the classified section of my newspaper (you know, that &#8220;entire section&#8221; you said is &#8220;devoted to homes&#8221;)&#8212;shouldn&#8217;t I continue to advertise there?</p>
<p>PS When can we expect that zillow poll on the right to exclude inaccurate zestimates from homesellers&#8217; homes?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Brown</title>
		<link>http://agentgenius.com/real-estate-technology-new-media/a-business-predicated-on-a-lie-will-crumble-when-exposed/#comment-59</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 23:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David - Honestly, I’m surprised. Do you believe the work you do for your clients can be replicated by a website? I don’t buy that.

Not my meaning at all. I was only commenting on what I think Zillow&#039;s zup to. :)

I think your ultimate goal is not anything short of putting buyers and sellers together for a fee.

A website can&#039;t begin to do what I do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David &#8211; Honestly, I’m surprised. Do you believe the work you do for your clients can be replicated by a website? I don’t buy that.</p>
<p>Not my meaning at all. I was only commenting on what I think Zillow&#8217;s zup to. <img src='http://agentgenius.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I think your ultimate goal is not anything short of putting buyers and sellers together for a fee.</p>
<p>A website can&#8217;t begin to do what I do.</p>
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		<title>By: Louis Cammarosano</title>
		<link>http://agentgenius.com/real-estate-technology-new-media/a-business-predicated-on-a-lie-will-crumble-when-exposed/#comment-58</link>
		<dc:creator>Louis Cammarosano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 20:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jeff

Thanks for your comments. I think that in order to gain significant advertising dollars from banner ads the audience must be of significant size.

Currently, Zillow&#039;s traffic ranks behind Realtor.com, HomeGain.com, MSN Real Estate, Remax and other real estate sites.

The problem with the real estate consumer is they generally buy homes infrequently so the audience at any given time never reaches the tens of millions.

Google and Yahoo make money selling ads because they reach hundreds of millions of consumers.

The Zillow approach of getting consumers interested in visiting Zillow, not just when they are selling or buying a home, should increase visits and page views so you can sell ads.

Certainly an online company can make money with advertising. It seems to me that the scale required is not attainable by one real estate web site.

Given that instant Home Valuations are a commodity-a point highlighted by Yahoo&#039;s inclusion of Reply (whose core business is not even real estate)and start up, eppraisals.com to provide instant home valuations side by side with Zillow-Zillow&#039;s hopes for cornering the consumer market for Homevaluations is diminished and the limited audience of consumers interested in homevaluations becomes splintered.

abc realestate and cyberhomes also provide instant homevalutions.

HomeGain also has a instant homevalation tool-brought back from the last century&#039;s tour of duty 1999-2001.

Good luck making money selling ads around instant home valuations.

Louis</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jeff</p>
<p>Thanks for your comments. I think that in order to gain significant advertising dollars from banner ads the audience must be of significant size.</p>
<p>Currently, Zillow&#8217;s traffic ranks behind Realtor.com, HomeGain.com, MSN Real Estate, Remax and other real estate sites.</p>
<p>The problem with the real estate consumer is they generally buy homes infrequently so the audience at any given time never reaches the tens of millions.</p>
<p>Google and Yahoo make money selling ads because they reach hundreds of millions of consumers.</p>
<p>The Zillow approach of getting consumers interested in visiting Zillow, not just when they are selling or buying a home, should increase visits and page views so you can sell ads.</p>
<p>Certainly an online company can make money with advertising. It seems to me that the scale required is not attainable by one real estate web site.</p>
<p>Given that instant Home Valuations are a commodity-a point highlighted by Yahoo&#8217;s inclusion of Reply (whose core business is not even real estate)and start up, eppraisals.com to provide instant home valuations side by side with Zillow-Zillow&#8217;s hopes for cornering the consumer market for Homevaluations is diminished and the limited audience of consumers interested in homevaluations becomes splintered.</p>
<p>abc realestate and cyberhomes also provide instant homevalutions.</p>
<p>HomeGain also has a instant homevalation tool-brought back from the last century&#8217;s tour of duty 1999-2001.</p>
<p>Good luck making money selling ads around instant home valuations.</p>
<p>Louis</p>
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		<title>By: David G from Zillow.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>David G from Zillow.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 19:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All -
Zillow is a media business and we have no plans to change that model. Media companies have always played an important role in real estate; consider that most newspapers have an entire section devoted to homes. Many of the media products used by today&#039;s real estate consumer are online. If you&#039;re still advertising in your local paper or sending out flyers - but your listing or your ad is not on Zillow - you should reevaluate your marketing plan.

Louis -
&quot;there is no money in advertising to consumers&quot;
You could not be more wrong. Advertising to consumers is a 200 billion dollar industry in the US alone. Someone is making a lot of money (GOOG, YHOO, NYT etc.)

Jeff -
Honestly, I&#039;m surprised. Do you believe the work you do for your clients can be replicated by a website? I don&#039;t buy that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All -<br />
Zillow is a media business and we have no plans to change that model. Media companies have always played an important role in real estate; consider that most newspapers have an entire section devoted to homes. Many of the media products used by today&#8217;s real estate consumer are online. If you&#8217;re still advertising in your local paper or sending out flyers &#8211; but your listing or your ad is not on Zillow &#8211; you should reevaluate your marketing plan.</p>
<p>Louis -<br />
&#8220;there is no money in advertising to consumers&#8221;<br />
You could not be more wrong. Advertising to consumers is a 200 billion dollar industry in the US alone. Someone is making a lot of money (GOOG, YHOO, NYT etc.)</p>
<p>Jeff -<br />
Honestly, I&#8217;m surprised. Do you believe the work you do for your clients can be replicated by a website? I don&#8217;t buy that.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Brown</title>
		<link>http://agentgenius.com/real-estate-technology-new-media/a-business-predicated-on-a-lie-will-crumble-when-exposed/#comment-56</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 21:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone who doesn&#039;t see through the ineffectual mask of Z-holdup going on, isn&#039;t paying attention.

Zillow is the guy in high school telling the Realtors, the girl next door, &quot;No, really honey, I do love you. Let&#039;s go back to my house, nobody&#039;s home.&quot;

It&#039;s amazing there&#039;s even a debate about this. But, like the girl next door, Realtors REALLY want to believe. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who doesn&#8217;t see through the ineffectual mask of Z-holdup going on, isn&#8217;t paying attention.</p>
<p>Zillow is the guy in high school telling the Realtors, the girl next door, &#8220;No, really honey, I do love you. Let&#8217;s go back to my house, nobody&#8217;s home.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s amazing there&#8217;s even a debate about this. But, like the girl next door, Realtors REALLY want to believe. <img src='http://agentgenius.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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